Ten take-aways from this session:
- You’ve Got 8 Seconds (Paul Hellman 2018)
- The Big Ego Trip (Glynn Harrison 2013)
- Make the Impossible Possible (Bill Strickland 2009)
- Why Do So Many Incompetent Men Become Leaders? (Tomas Chamarro-Premuzic 2019)
- Imperfect Leadership (Steve Mumby 2019)
- The Digital Transformation Playbook (David Rogers 2016)
- The Leadership Playbook for the Digital Age (Doug Ready et al. 2020)
- Becoming a Coach (Jonathan Passmore and Tracy Sinclair 2020)
- Headspace App
- Podcast by Brené Brown with Barack Obama on leadership
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LinkedIn Live 2020 For better or worse
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So here we are live. It’s Thursday the 17th of December and very good evening to everybody. Hello, Jenny and Jana, Nick. Hello.
So my name is. So I’m Nadine Powrie, Executive and leadership coach and workplace mediator and leadership training trainer. I can’t speak English.
Oh, yes, you can. Hi, my name is Jenny Lynn. I’m a leadership development advisor stroke consultant, working predominantly in schools developing leaders.
Hi, I’m John Danes. I’m an education consultant. And I do some work with a number of charities as well as supporting leadership.
My name is Nick Shara former school inspector and I do some educational consultancy. Great. Okay, so today, the focus on that our LinkedIn live is 2020, for better or worse. But before we start, I just want to say a few things and perhaps give some give some feedback about our LinkedIn live.
I’ve received a couple of emails, I would quite like to share with everybody because it’s quite nice to see that. You know, we are showing up every Thursday and some people are kindly emailing me to price the work that we are doing on Thursdays. So I’m gonna start with Andre Dobby violence, Susannah Diego Now those two wonderful ladies, I interviewed them on my podcast 76.
And they’ve sent me an email saying, I recently watched your session which included a discussion on developing a learning culture very interesting. So I know that they’ve listened to the whole of the LinkedIn live.
Does name Azure ash doesn’t name is the Operations Support Manager for EDT, she sent me a text saying, I love date, the four of you did so well really enjoy the discussion. And then I think it was two weeks ago, I thought I can so far it is in Dubai, she’s a school principal. And she said, What resonated with me was the topic of the conversation. And when you said when you spoke about the before, during and after the training, we were talking about the impact. So it’s really great to receive that kind of feedback. So if you want if you’re listening to us from all over the world, and if you want to give us some feedback, we’re very open to it. And we will read it with with interest. Thank you very much. I had a question from Jenny plant. Now Jenny plant is the founder of management account management skills. I know Jenny fairly well, she’s actually a colleague of mine, she’s a consultant. And Jenny asked a question. She’s thinking about doing something in life? And she said, how do you manage to have three people’s will with their names showing any insight tips into what works and doesn’t? So maybe if I respond to the first part of the question.
So Jenny, I use stream yard. And when you use stream yard, your guests actually can write their their name. And you can also use your brand color on streaming out. So it’s very
easy to use. And there’s a great YouTube video that you can watch, which will explain all about that. The second part of the discussion is the insight and tips of what works and what doesn’t. She’s quite intrigued by the fact that we have been four of us on LinkedIn live, I think she’s quite keen to do something similar. And she was asking us about, you know, any tips, anything that we can, we can share with her so that it’s making it easier for for her to start in January?
I think one of the most challenging things that we for a found is that we choose subjects that we’re passionate about, and therefore we all want to talk at once. I think we’ve we have no secret symbols, which maybe we should have. We I mean, I know I’m terrible, because I’m always jumping in because I get really excited about things. And I think that it’s about looking really carefully at people’s faces. And I mean, you can see when John I know John well enough to know when he wants to come in because quite often he has a pencil that sort of floats about when he wants to come in.
So I think I think actually giving each giving each other space and actually allowing people to
come to the end without jumping in. And I know that for me that’s been the hardest thing. I can I just say hi to Ken buddy who’s just come in on the content.
Which I think it is, then Hi Ken. Nice to say
anything else John, Nick? I would say
Don’t force it. You know, it has to be you. And you can spend a lot of time trying to get the technicalities, right, the image perfect. And then it’s not you, I think you just go with it. And email people will like you for who you are.
Yeah, I pick up on that. I think I told him waving my pencil, Jenny. So
I picked up on that. I think there, I think the reason this seems to be working is we’ve fairly quickly relaxed into a way of doing things.
you said earlier, we’re passionate about what we’re talking about. And that’s absolutely true.
So we’re never short of things to say, or we haven’t been so far. But we’ve, we’ve lacked, we’ve been able to relax into a way of doing things. And I know for myself that I just, I’m generally not a not terribly good in front of a camera. But I’ve surprised myself and I’m more relaxed than I thought it would be. And the reason I mentioned it is I think that’s important, because I think what you need the dean, there was, in your in inviting people to be involved. I’m guessing you thought carefully this time? I don’t know, you can say in a minute, rather than scraping the barrel. And it seemed, it seemed we seem to have coalesced into into a way of doing things that that that it feels natural, because it certainly is from my point of view.
And and I think so I think that that would be my message to find the right people.
That and then I suppose coach them into how you want them to be
on, you know, when they’re presenting,
whatever they’re saying, Does that resonate with how you did things today?
I guess for me, it’s a little bit different, because I’m the one who is doing the LinkedIn live. So I look at the technical aspect of it. So when you say, John, that you’re relaxed, I’d love to say that I’m relaxed, but deep down, there is this fear that you know, what, if anything goes wrong.
So I am looking everywhere around them around the screen, I guess, I can be relaxed, because we know each other, you know, the foremothers? We know each other very well.
We’ve worked together, we kind of predict as well how we are behaving. And I think it’s helping the conversation. I’m often I am thinking so what’s the difference between my podcast and my LinkedIn life? For example? While my podcast I invite guest most of the time that I don’t necessarily know as well as I do you use three. So I’m just wondering if the fact that we are friends actually helped, you know,
with with the LinkedIn live as helped it flow a little bit more, I would say to start with the second thing I would say is that we actually always listening back to the LinkedIn live.
So we’ve, every week, we’re quite disciplined with it. And we are listening. And we are noticing a number of things. Like last week, for example, we’ve noticed that somebody amongst us said nine times I agree with another person.
And I think that, you know, it’s quite interesting to reflect on how we are having a conversation, the kinds of things that we say, and how we are relating to each other because ultimately, it should flow.
But by listening to them again, we’re constantly learning. So for me, it’s not only about doing a live LinkedIn live, it’s also about elevating everything that I am doing, and making sure that I know how can I do that better? How can I elevate?
So So I hope Jenny, I mean, is there anything else that you want to add? Jenny? Jana, Nick? Well, Jenny, I think I think, Tim, for me, there’s also there’s the element of trust.
And I think that without that element of trust, I mean, what, I’ve never been one for being out in the public domain. Really, this is my Well, it’s my second one. I did have something else that I did, which was in the public domain, which looking back is, you know, I learned to sit on my hands. Let’s put it that way. But I think that that the trust that we have with the four of us, and I think that we also we all have a very
similar but very different background. So I think, you know, we’ve all led organizations and we’ve all been there and we can talk at quite some depth about that. But I think that from your point of view, particularly Nadine, because this is your LinkedIn live, it’s we’re just we’re just guests here really is that that you have trusted us to
Be part of this too, to be part of something that will make us all including yourself looking looking good and professional, that I think that the trust that’s there is, is is a quite a high level. Because there’s there’s no hiding no mistakes or people saying the wrong thing. I don’t think we’ve ever, I’ve never sort of thought, Oh, God, they’re saying the wrong thing. I haven’t felt that. And that’s perhaps to do with the level of trust and how well we know, the sort of backgrounds where I’m coming from. Yeah, it’s interesting. There’s a there’s a tension, isn’t there there because we’re, we were all from a fairly narrow band of society really, aren’t we?
And, you know, there’s a, there’s a danger that comes with that, that, that we don’t have no perception of understanding of, of some issues that might be affecting others.
Having said that, there’s. So that’s one end of the spectrum. And the other thing is that we do need to be able to be confident that someone isn’t going to be really ridiculously embarrassing. I, you know, I’m fine with people being embarrassing, but you know, so say something,
you know, you know, because it’s going out live, you need you know, you it’s important that we conduct ourselves in a particular way, and say things that are appropriate or certainly not inappropriate. And so whilst maybe looking to be more diverse in some ways, we still need to find a way of being is the trust issue that you you mentioned, you need to trust that when you offer something out that someone’s going to respond in the right way. Yeah, to that. So it’s not dangerous, really.
It is unpredictable, because it’s not scripted. And we don’t know what’s going to happen. And we seem to be able to sit down and chat. I mean, we know that we can do this anyway. Because we do a lot when we’re working together. So we know that the conversation is always there. But it’s really nice to hear that people are actually valuing what we’re saying.
So I think that
that’s a positive that’s come out of it really? Well, I hope they are because that’s why I’m doing it.
You want to say anything? Oh, I would. I mean, you’re doing all the planning. So we don’t really see that bit. So it’s easy for me to sit here and think, yeah, don’t worry about it.
It’ll be fine. But of course, it’s very different for you. So maybe it’s it’s your opinion that maybe counts more for the for, you know, feedback and feedback to it. Jenny? Jenny font. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, in terms of planning, there is not much planning, it takes me you know, 10 seconds to set it up on stream yard.
We plan every week or topic, I don’t particularly have time to do much research on the topic. So because of, you know, our experience and expertise and everything else, then we can talk about this is, I mean, I’d love to be spending more time on it, we should just, I just do not have the time. So in a way, going live is very spontaneous. It’s who we are, you know, you can’t hide behind, you’re not acting, right. And I’ve had a number of people saying to me, actually, I’ve never thought that you would, you would do that. It’s nice to see you.
And it’s also nice to speak, I also share something with the whole world now. I remember, I think it was the second time when Nick, you said to me that I was very quiet. And I was mortified when you told me that I had been quiet on during dinner, because for me, it’s I as a coach, you know, I listen to people, to my clients quite a lot. So for me, it’s quite natural to listen to people. But in another way I saw, you know, it’s got a point.
It’s not coaching, I am clearly you know, on LinkedIn live. So between each other, we also give each other some feedback, which is really good. And because there is trust, the feedback is given in, in a positive way, in a constructive way. And I think that’s really, really important. So, so I hope Jenny that this is giving you a good insight about what LinkedIn life is. So shall we start with with today’s topic? So we’ve had a first question from Lisa Lisa grace. So Lisa is the editor of teach Middle East magazine Hello, and I know she’s listening because she told me so hello, like
you you ask us what book did you read in 2020 That left a lasting impression on you.
So who wants to start?
Either mind reading it seems
boring, but I’m loving it. And that is, it’s called the new digital playbook. So the new leadership playbook for a digital age is by a guy called Doug ready from MIT. And it’s all about what he foresees as a digital storm, that you know, all these things of
digital transformation, the new generations of people, the marketplace in which people work in, all of it has now changed and that humans have effect requires us to maybe consider things differently. So that’s what I’d recommend. Have you finished reading it? I’ve got about 10 pages left. Okay. Okay. Is it big? Is it is it quite
heavy? I’ve got lots of
lists and bullet points of things that you can take away and you could use in your your own development. So I find it very helpful. Okay. I might, I might read that, actually. Thank you, Nick.
I brought my book with me. Okay.
it’s a pretty obvious one. For me, really, this is imperfect leadership by Steve Mundy.
And those of you who know, Steve, he led the national college scholarship,
certainly for the majority of the time that I was there, and then he went on to EDT. And of course, we’ve all worked well, three of us have worked 3d T. And what I found interesting about it is it’s a commentary, a by somebody that I know that the about the times that we’ve lived in. And he talks a lot about what was happening strategically at the college when I was there. And obviously I wasn’t at the strategic level, I was working much more at an operational level. So I find it really interesting to hear the discussions and conversations that were going on, whose outcomes I was familiar with. And also I mean, he he, he writes extremely well. And it’s it’s very, I haven’t finished it I have to say, but it’s a very easy read. And it’s all and he is a truly authentic leader. And I think that’s something that really comes across here because he
I wouldn’t say he beats himself up, but he’s very self aware.
Okay, that’s great. Thanks a lot, Jenny.
Well, I hope it’s a bit like being on what’s that desert island disc where you could when you’re allowed to take one luxury with you to the desert island? I want to appeal to be able to take to to introduce you to three books actually. Do you know it’s interesting, I’ve found that I have been reading more fiction in during the 2020 than I normally do. I normally have a number of books on the go and I I pick them up as and when. Here’s here’s an interesting book. This is called why so many incompetent men become leaders and how to fix it.
Thomas, pre music.
It’s published by Harvard, Harvard, Harvard Business Review, press. And if I just say that, it it’s, it examines why arrogance and loudness have
enabled certain people to become leaders rather than humility and wisdom.
And I would, I would actually recommend that completely. There you go. It’s called why so many incompetent men become leaders.
That tenure is okay. Can I keep going? Keep going, keep going.
So well? Well, this book is a book that I’ve gone back to
10 years ago, Lindy and I
did some charity work, we went and spent a year in in Sub Saharan Africa. I was I was opening
an IT academy in a township there, which was funded through a charity and one of the people who was involved that gave me this book, and it’s called make the impossible possible.
And it’s by a guy called Bill Strickland. Now, Bill Strickland did
a remarkable thing in the United States where he opened
a college and transforms not just a few people’s lives, but an entire area city really well maybe it’s a bit too much to say a city but but and that that that was really useful for me at the time because I was opening a new academic institution. And that’s exactly what that guy did. So that makes really good reading. It’s good reading anyway. And then the final one
which I went a little while ago, is called the big ego trip. And it’s by Glyn Harrison. And this this is about.
This is about, it’s an antidote to our culture of self esteem. So it’s about it’s about understanding where true significance comes from.
A lot of people think it’s to do with ego. And we talk about promoting self esteem, it’s more complicated and more interesting with that. So that’s called the big ego trip by Glenn Harris. And I’ve highly recommend that
we put these titles up, when we repost it, we could put all these times we will.
Yes, yes. In fact, we can add them in the comments, you know, once I was finished, mine is on my iPad. So mine is this one, you’ve got eight seconds on Hellman. And actually one of the quote in there is that is something that I really like it says there is no point in speaking, unless you can improve on silence.
Take the message.
And it’s really interesting, because it says that the attention span has dropped to eight seconds. And therefore, you know, the message has to be very, very clear. And very communication has to be very effective. And for me, as a bilingual
quite tricky, you know, because my brain is kind of in two parts, because there is a French and then there is the English and I swapped, probably, because at home, I speak French, and then with my clients and my friends, I speak English and then French again. So for me, this is quite challenging. And it’s, it’s a really good book. So
I recommend so.
So I hope Lisa, I hope that we’ve answered your, your your question and hope to see your question. Yeah, great. Great question. Yes. Okay, so 2020, for better or worse? Yeah. Okay, Jenny, do you want to start my question? Okay.
My question, whoever wants to answer it is What’s your most positive outcome or memory from 2020?
That I’ve read only last week, carbon output is down 5% from last year, there’s less nitrogen dioxide in the atmosphere, in China in Italy, and I’m old byproduct of this year has been at the planet is a little bit better, because we haven’t been enough things. That’s an odd thing to say. It’s been a terrible period. But I think there’s something very positive to take out of it.
That’s great. Man. Can I go next?
Money Man is about people and and the way that they’ve responded. And
both individually, organizationally, and maybe more more more widely than that. So you may, you may know that I’m, I’m in touch with a number of churches and church leaders through through some of the bits and pieces that I do. And the way that, you know, churches aren’t known as for being in church leaders in particular, are known for being the most adaptive, responsible, responsive, nimble people. But actually, some of the things and this is This certainly isn’t across the board. But there are some remarkable instances of of churches and church leaders putting putting stuff online, I’m don’t just mean services, access to all the other good work that those sort of faith organizations do.
So some, somehow it’s catalyzed people into doing remarkable things and to making developments that I think otherwise would have taken a long time. I wanted to mention, I mean, we were all involved in the, in the in the evaluations in in the Middle East. I mean, I just want to say to schools and school leaders, everywhere, but But particularly, I think, in the Middle East, but absolutely remarkable the way that they have found ways to keep going and to keep caring,
and to keep looking at looking after well, the well being of of students and staff and parents and families actually, as well. That’s, you know, it’s been really interesting. And then the final thing if I could just be allowed seem to be thrown in threes
today, which is just a selfless care that we’ve seen demonstrated from a number of people just under the surface, so you’ve got people working in care homes.
In hospitals, supporting vulnerable adults, you know, those guys are putting themselves at risk quite often.
And caring and providing and I think what it’s doing is, is is is providing a really interesting insight into mankind humankind and the way that, you know, when when things do get difficult, we’ve responded magnificently. Yeah.
Yes, I think it’s a very good point, actually, that you’re making for me. When when you asked that question, Jenny, I thought it was just for me personally. So I sort of three points for me personally. So the most positive outcome. First of all, for me, it’s been friendship.
I call it my tribe, I have some really great friends around me, in different parts of the world, the world, but it’s not been an issue not to be with my friends face to face, we’ve been able to communicate, and friendship is even stronger than than before. So um, and I’ve seen myself, you know, being on the phone, or on Skype, or zoom, or whatever, for over an hour at a time with my friends just to take the time to actually talk about life.
And that’s something I’ve, I’ve not I’ve sadly, perhaps, you know, not taken the time to do very well before. So that’s my first one. My second one has been, is family related, and has been the wedding of our son in in September. We thought it couldn’t happen. And in fact, it did. So instead of 200 guests, we had 15, which shows that everything can be done, you know, different.
And then from the work point of view, I agree with Jan, and I’d like to echo the work we did in in Dubai, just before March, and then the work that we did remotely on the valuation and absolutely agree with you, John, that
I mean, I don’t know the word. This is where I am thinking in English, I’m totally in admiration for the work that teachers, you know, have done in the schools in UAE, totally. They they have dealt with everything in such a way that is inspirational, and shows that everything can be done. So it’s been a privilege for me to be part of that. And to see that actually, it can be done and to, you know, see see students and to see everything online, it’s just
there is there is hope, actually, that online can kind of work. You know, this is a start, of course, but it can work. So. So for me, those are the three positive outcomes.
Oh, it’s my question. It’s your question. Okay. Yeah. Well, I’ve wondered about habits. I wonder about habits. Or you might call them routines that you’ve formed this year. Where are they? Where have you formed some positive habits that you’d like to mention? Or maybe they’ve been some negative ones? It is worth mentioning those certainly bringing them out into the open, you know, are they are these things having an effect on on you? Have they have they had an effect?
Over the year?
I was struck at how odd it was the other week, when I went in for a physical meeting.
and it was weird. We missed that bit where before the meeting, you would ask about somebody’s personal life, you know, the more of that going on, but it felt a bit odd because when we used to do it in teams, that that doesn’t happen. It’s all about the meeting, and you’re in and you’re out and you’re done. Yeah.
So I think that’s a that’s a bad habit for us that people think, Oh, why do I need a physical meeting? But I’m back to the book. One of the things is this notion of
the humanization element. You know, digitalization is a bit faceless, a bit sterile. And I think there is there is a real need to fight back almost and say, how do these tools helped me still remain at being a half decent human?
And I think maybe
I think we will try harder to see the sort of humanity in the in like the exchanges we have, you know, I know it’s in a work sense.
I phone my mother in law, on FaceTime more than I ever did.
To my son more
on FaceTime than I would if he was in the house. Now he’s going back to the UK. And it seems seamless.
I think I’ll continue to do that. It’s good for me, because he’s going to go to university the year after next. And I think we are learning really good habits will make, you know, give us a much stronger relationship that maybe we have before. Oh, that’s good to know. Yeah. Great.
Tiki with your mother in law, I was very impressed with that. And
that was, you know, my own doing that, just as I turn up.
That’s lovely. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, I think for me, if you talk about habits and routines, which started in lockdown is that I do some form of exercise, because the gym was shot, I do some form of exercise each day. I’m not a gym bunny, because I’m too badly coordinated to be a gym bunny, but I do need to keep moving. And when the gym was shot, I would do these videos
for 20 minutes to half an hour every day. So basically, when I got up, I put my gym kit on nothing else. And so did my husband, and so did my daughter. And you know, obviously the advanced class was in the other room, and the dyspraxia class was in this room where you have to have plenty of space, otherwise you get kicked or hit with. But I think even now that I’m back at the gym, I’m still doing that, because the days that I’m not there, I’m, I’m still doing 20 minutes to half an hour. I can’t say I do it 100% of the time, but I would say maybe 70%. And I think that one of the things that that you’re probably all familiar with is that when we’re out in Dubai, or out somewhere working is how much time we spend in a hotel room. And I had prepared for the next trip out to Dubai with my rubber bands. And I was filmed actually using the rubber band so that you could do any sort of I mean, it was horrendous. And it’s not something for public domain. But the coordination required to get the bands to work. They’re resistant, basically. So they work against you. Yeah, terrible. Yeah. So basically, I’m prepared now. So that if and when we returned to our traveling, I can do my own little gym in a in a hotel room. And that means that I’m able to keep up my level of fitness, even if I’m away for five weeks, which for me is good, because I don’t want to go back because then you got to climb a hill again. Great, great habit. Actually, Jenny. Yeah. What about you, Nadine? Okay, so for me, there’s a number of things. First of all, I’ve been able to do more yoga and meditation, and I work every day no matter what, even if it’s raining. And this has had a massive positive impact on my work because I actually I work more
I work deeper, my work is deeper, a bit shorter, but I work more, if that makes sense.
In my thinking is very clear. It’s not foggy, which is, which is great because I don’t travel. I’m not spending hours on the on the plane. So. So that’s great. And I’ve been able to do and to invite 24 people on my podcast this year.
24 people I’ve never met in my life. Right.
And that started last year it was I think it was about 10 or 12. And for me, this new habits is that I like to make people shine. I like to put them on stage and shine because I think there is something great about every one of us. And those people have been pretty amazing. So I’m quite I’m quite grateful really for that new habits because I would not have done it if if I was not in the situation that I am currently. And the last habit is I was quite good at giving gratitude to people. But I think I’m I’ve become very systematic now. Grateful to people I say it a lot to people. And I’m quite I’m quite pleased about that. Because deep down it’s important for me to to be grateful to people it’s part of me and it’s part of who I am. So I’m happy to have been able to do that. Yes
Okay, it’s my question.
What are you abandoning and leaving behind in 2020?
shortly, shopping Yeah, I used to shop because I
enjoyed it. I used to enjoy, particularly clothes shopping, I didn’t need the clothes. And I think the first three months of lockdown, I mean, the outfits that we wore, and I’m sure everybody else is the same with absolutely no regard to how you look. It was more about being comfortable. And then I started to rediscover all the clothes that are at the back of the wardrobe. So I think that for me, I’ve probably got enough clothes to last me for the rest of my life. And I have no desire to go. I haven’t been into Newcastle. Since January. I live on the outskirts of Newcastle I haven’t been in since January. If I need to do any Christmas shopping or anything, I will go and shop locally. We’ve got some lovely market towns fairly close. So that’s where my Christmas shopping is happening. So I think for me what I’m leaving behind is is the pleasure of shopping. I don’t find I it’s necessity now. And that’s all So save yourself a huge amount of money.
I’m not a great abandoned I am.
I’m more of a
I’m more of a I was reading something about new to you new year’s resolutions. And the way to make them effective is to is to go for something new rather than so decide to do something new rather than not do something that you won’t you know, that you feel is bad if you like.
And that resonated with me because I don’t really
I don’t, I think I just naturally shed things that are just, I don’t really want to be involved with. And so for me, what what am I abandoning? I couldn’t actually think of anything I’m abandoning because I don’t go shopping. Jenny, for example.
If you look at a photo of me 15 years ago, I’m wearing the same things today. Yeah, it’s a man thing really isn’t.
It might be a man thing. I don’t know. But um, so yeah, anyway, that’s a quick answer for me.
Let me say saying they say saying, Nadine, whatever you do, do not give up shopping because you have such great style.
online if you must write I would never be able to give up any encouragement later.
Dubai Dubai Shopping Mall is my bike by the Burj Khalifa is my favorite place. So, yeah. It’s a bit overwhelming. There’s too many shops. They’re
So Nick, do you want to? Do you want to say something? Yeah, come on, Nick. I’m a bit like, John, I don’t abandon things. I’m constantly, I think evolving and tweaking. And, you know, I don’t hang on to things that don’t work. I am struggling with this idea that I used to have. And that was that a digital future was always going to be good. And it was always going to work. And actually, what we’ve learned this year is left to its own devices. It won’t work. It needs humans a bit. Like we said, with schools. It’s an amazing first start. But I don’t think there’s any evidence that it works yet. And I think it requires us to re visit what we mean by digitization and education and even work. So I think I’m probably maybe abandoning my old ideals of what it used to be, and maybe a bit more open to the human input. Because I’m quite techie. My setup here is very techie. And maybe that’s that’s not enough. It’s not going to work if I just keep doing that.
Okay, well, for me, I’m abandoning the idea that I will not have a car so I now have a car.
Which is a big thing for me.
abandoning the idea that I would finish my life in France, I’m not. I’m going to be staying in the UK. Oh, yes. Yes, yes. So I shall sell my property in France, and I will.
I will finish my life in the UK.
It’s a huge decision, but we’ve decided to stay closer to our four children. And that’s completely
because of what’s happened with coming. We’ve decided that, in fact, we want to be closer to the children. So
we’re very adults who you know, can live without us. It’s fine. But yes, so the UK is going to be my final place for me, which is great. Yeah. Yeah.
Java. Next question.
Well, I wondered how our networks have changed over the over the year. Well, you know, what were they
is an odd influences whether they’ve prompted any unexpected additions, unexpected deletions, whether you’re having more frequent contact or less frequent contact with, with certain segments of your network, just thought it might be worth exploring that for a bit.
Hmm, this is a LinkedIn platform. So kind of it’s fits nicely within within network. I think mine’s become more condensed.
Because I think that because you’re not, you’re not seeing people casually. You know, you have to make some kind of arrangement to have any kind of contact with people be it through WhatsApp, or on the screen. So I think that the people that I’ve stayed in contact with, I’ve actually increased the contact. I mean, probably not a day goes by without Nadine and I
WhatsApp, sometimes quite late into the night after I’m sure she went to bed earlier.
So I think that the focus of, of my network, I think, has become condensed. And I think that I, I don’t see an awful lot of people. But the people that I do see, I see visually, virtually more often.
I would probably say, similar over here, the ex parte Whatsapp group, as changed, you know, where it was very haphazard, in casual I mean, it’s I have two or three guys here. I’d speak to them every day, even if it’s just silly little things. And I mean, you almost forget what you got out of the personal relationship with with people. And you try and get to try and get that digitally. It obviously it’s a it’s a failed attempt, you’ll, you’ll never even ever get it, but you think you’ll get something else? And I was just thinking back to almost the abandonment thing. I’m almost abandoned in email, when the same way because the limitations of what email does, you know, I now just send the nuts and bolts on email. But I always do on a team’s core a zoom call, if you like, mainly because you know, I quite like a chat with somebody for five or 10 minutes.
And I think it helps, you know, yes, can explain my super technical email when it gets across easier. But I think secretly, we all quite like the exchange. Yeah, I think I did see something I might have said it the other week, CEOs feel that they’re closer to their staff. You know, you’re while you’re waiting for people to come on, you’re talking to them, How’s your wife, your kids and things that probably wouldn’t happen in a strict office environment all the time?
So I think my network has grown and maybe I’m, I’m less
technical and more soft with my exchanges with people I think.
Well, I was, as a business owner, I was in different communities, and I’ve decided to leave those communities. So I only go to the people, when I need something very specific.
So I don’t mingle as much as before on to those online communities have become perhaps,
yes, I just go for the specific when I need something very,
very specific, very unique.
I am more in touch. My Network has changed with my accountant, for example. And I’ve been more in touch with my accountant because of Brexit, because it’s affected me
massively, really first as a French national living in the UK, and second as my business, because I’ve got a lot of clients in France. So I have my network around accountancy and business and had to have more more discussion around that, because I need to prepare my business and so that it’s ready for for January, where, you know, if there is a Deal or No Deal, it’s got to be, I’ve got to be aware of what I am supposed to be doing. So I’ve taken a lot of time to,
to invest into knowing, and my accountant, Mahmoud Riza has actually been amazing. He’s on LinkedIn, and he does LinkedIn live, and he’s an amazing guy. So I am very,
very grateful to him.
And I think it’s a little bit like what Jenny and Nick were saying, I am a resume or visual before I used to send a lot of emails and now I am a lot more on I actually send videos to people by email so that they see me or use some apps that I would never have you
I also use the voice on LinkedIn, you can send messages using voice. So I do that and even for my children now I do that as well. And once a week on LinkedIn, I also do a video. And the reason why I do a video is because it’s got caption on it. You see, what really bugs me on LinkedIn live is that there is no caption.
And I big Miss for people.
So that’s why I doing once a week I do a video and I’ve really been good at it for the past four weeks, I’m really, you know,
being quite disciplined about it. And I’m going to make sure that I do that more. In 2021. I do LinkedIn live more, if there were captions, but there is no caption. I have a little bit of a problem with that.
Well, let’s hope that Mr. or Mrs. LinkedIn live or listening and they’ll enter that particular permission.
Can I just add a thing I didn’t say is, I always have a learning network. But it’s not people I know. I spent much more time now listening to podcasts, listening to people on YouTube. Yeah. And I think I’ve become a much more well rounded, more educated. I mean, I I’m really not interested in TV much anymore. You know, that mass media 10 Second soundbite I’d rather somebody articulate their ideas to me for 20 minutes or an hour. So I think I’ve built up almost a remote learning network in this environment. I’m gonna keep I think I’m never going back to what I used to do.
That’s a very good point. Yeah. I thought that’s a great question, didn’t you? Yes.
Okay. Layered, multi layered. You see, mine are all short and sweet. And yours are all complex and multi layered. My next one is very short and sweet is who has emerged as your personal hero this year.
All right, I’ll go first. It’s a bit awkward personal hero, pie mark. But the person who’s impressed me the most this year was my technophobic, wife, school teacher, who at the start of lockdown, I thought, Oh, this is going to be tough. But she’s now brilliant. You know, all the apps, teams, Apple Maps.
And it’s amazing, you know, and in sort of the space of six months, she has totally upskilled herself, to now actually being one of the leaders in the school saying, why don’t we do it like this? Why don’t we use this application. And that is pretty amazing. To the extent now where, you know, my help is no longer required
surplus to requirements as the tech guru in the house, she out surprises me now. So I think in that sense, and also not just the learning, but I hear how there are lessons in her kids, you know, where she’s taken over the dining room and the kitchen if you like, and there is a skill to her where she jokes with the kids that she’s like a telephone operator. One moment caller, I’ll be with you later. And just putting the fun into it, taking those hard technological edges of that remote classroom and making it enjoyable for the kids. So probably probably her. That’s great. Thanks, Nick. And that reflects back to what we were saying what Nadine was saying about the teachers in UAE
technology, John, well,
I’ll follow that. In a very similar way. My, my, my wife teaches piano
and she’s been doing that remotely as well. And like, like your wife,
Nick, while I say like your wife. I’m making a huge assumption. But she wasn’t the most comfortable technolon technologically but it’s been absolutely fantastic. And I’m full, full of full of admiration for the way that she has not just met that head on but also it’s been wonderful listening, I can hear what I can hear very clearly. She’s dealing with and it’s been fantastic. Just one of the things I want to say. I don’t really have here is by admire people who who very quietly stand up for what for what they believe and one of the people who’s fairly high profile because he played rugby for Saracens and England is a guy called Billy buena polar. And he’s he’s I think he’s, I should know, but he I think he’s Fijian heritage or or
that that sort of area. So that’s important because, you know, there’s a lot of stuff around the Black Lives Matter thing in the minute and there’s a lot of sportsmen who are taking the knee as they say at this time.
Lots of games are things and barely been apparent it doesn’t. Because he doesn’t agree with some of the other aspects of the of that of that campaign. There’s some negatives. And I think that takes a huge amount of courage to do that, because it’s on
stage. And people, you know, are very quick to condemn when they don’t really understand. So, if I had a hat on, I’d be taking it off to believe we’re in a poll at this particular moment. There we go. Good. Thank you, Nadine. Okay, so for me, I mean, my personal hero will always be my father, who passed away five years ago. But it gave me mental strengths. And I think we all needed mental strength this year. And I have drawn into that and into what he told me behind me, there is a frame. It’s a poem that I wrote about my dad, and
the five key points that he told me in my life all the time. And this year, I’ve looked at that frame every day, because it’s kind of helped me going, and he was right about what he said.
So for me, it will always be my hero. So that’s my dad. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. That’s lovely. It’s interesting that you’ve all talked, I wasn’t when I
posed the question. I was expecting somebody from the general public, or I wasn’t wasn’t expecting you all to give personal heroes, which I think is actually probably a much more fitting tribute to the people who you’re closest to and the people who impact on your life. So thank you. Well, what about you, Jenny, what would you respond to your question?
What would I respond to that question? I, that the public side of it, for me is, is these stories that you hear about children out there doing amazing things. And, you know, it could be that they’ve got a disability and that they’re doing some fantastic fundraising, or it’s, I think, for me, the put my personal hero is the spirit of these children growing up in such a different way, and actually flipping it, making it
coming through with kindness, compassion, and all sorts of attributes that you’d hope your children did. So I think for me, it’s the, it’s the young people growing up and showing
how it can be done really,
Okay, I think I’m next and what are your top three priorities for 2021?
Should I warn of silence?
I’ll break it. Okay. So
number one, keep, keep my eye on the outcome. I do a lot of work in quite difficult situations
where there’s all sorts of stuff going on. And it’s important to keep keep your eye on the on the outcome on the outcome. So that,
yeah, it’s human nature to want to get a pound of flesh out of something, or to get or to or to, you know, to make someone pay for something they’ve done or said, Actually, I don’t find that I’ve come to realize that’s not very helpful. So kick them out. And help number two, because 123, didn’t you
I am still a bit quiet in with what I do in my in my day to day life really business wise. And so I would like to find
a wider base to support the leaders in so that’s what one of my priorities
and then the third, the third one is simply just want to reduce the amount of time it takes me to get out of my wetsuit. That’s a very big priority.
Knowing that you’re doing well can swim swim either river or sea, and I just like a beached whale when it gets to the end of it. I’m sort of flapping around trying to get the thing off really, I need to develop a Morse of Swift. I think you need to redesign the wetsuit in that case, because I don’t think there is.
This is the guy who swims in the North Sea. Yeah, yeah. No matter what season it is. It’s always freezing.
I don’t mind going.
I’ve only got two. I’ve stretched to three. And I think I think I’m going to go on a new adventure. I think one thing that lockdown has
shown is how dull life can be. And, you know, if you let it, you know, and it has been difficult to not be dull, you know, on the same treadmills, Jenny saying, you know, doing gym work in your house, you know, great, but that’s no future for me. So I want another adventure and do something else. I think this year
from the book, there was some a quote that came out, and that is to learn your ABCs AI, big data and the cloud. And I think I’m, whilst I’m not a programmer, and I never will be, I think I’m going to try and make more effort this year, to learn how that fits in to my maybe my third one, which is keeping the humanity in digitization, you know, the humanity and the ABCs don’t naturally go together.
I think this year, certainly we’re schools have put so much effort in it, and it’s not working. What you can’t do is is negate the effort you
put to yet, it doesn’t mean that these teachers won’t do another huge lift, and get it working once we’ve sorted those bits out. So I think I’m gonna, I’m gonna try and
be better than I think.
Right. I, some time ago, I had a very interesting coaching session with an excellent coach called Nadine Powrie. And I can’t actually remember the context in which this arose. But one of the things that came up is that I’ve always wanted to be able to sing. And I can’t sing, or at least that’s my perception. So I happen to find a song that I thought was the song I wanted to learn. And apart from the fact I can’t remember the lyrics, which I can’t because I’m terrible memory, I’m now rehearsing almost daily, singing this song. Fortunately, my husband is quite musical, and he’s backing me. And, and then, I mean, they didn’t notice this is quite a big thing for me. And yesterday, my daughter had decided she had to sing a song. And she caught at all. So I was asked to back her to kind of
voice a bit, and I sign out, and it was recorded, I thought, Oh, I sound okay. So it’s given me a huge boost of confidence. The time will come the day when I will send you a copy of this song. I’m not there yet. But I’m well on the road. And I don’t think I would have done that had we not had that session. So for me, the big the big one is, is learning to sing. Secondly, I think reflecting on next is I’ve been desperate going away and travel. And I’ve toyed with the idea of getting renting a camper van or going off to Greece for the summer or something I’m, I find that having because I travel with my work so much that the travel has had a part of a holiday component. So I’m desperate to get away and do something like that. And I think the opportunities in adventure, I think, because we’ve been sort of so constructed this year, I think I want to go out and do something really brave.
And I don’t know what that is yet. But that’s what I would like to do.
For me, my top priorities
are, first of all my family, I have four children, and one grandchild, and hopefully more in the neck in the years to come. So I just love being a mother. And
I’ve been able to probably be
more in touch with my children, because I’ve been in here in the UK.
Secondly, it’s my health and well being. And because I’ve been able to do yoga, and lots of walk, I’m pretty fit, I would say I’m probably at my best
in terms of fitness. So I’d like to keep that up if I can, and myself priorities, my business where I’d like to continue for it to expand.
My business has expanded very quickly over the past five years. And I’d like it to continue like that but in different ways. So I’ve developed a clear vision. I’m not into five years vision because it can be wrecked very quickly.
So I’m pretty clear in the next two years what I want to do and how I’m going to do it.
So those are my top three priorities.
Okay, right, John? Yeah, we can we keep going?
Yes, yes. We were above one hour. Well, but it’s okay. We can we’ve got to two more questions. Okay. Yeah. Well, I think this is a great question.
was it’s been it’s been a sort of year hasn’t it? Where we, where we maybe were are looking to, to looking at different things have the opportunity to look around, I wondered where, what and where you’re looking and how. So what, where and who you’re looking for, to influence your, your thoughts, your approaches and your and your actions. So it’s about the it’s about the things that you are intentionally allowing yourself to be influenced by
what, what, where and who?
Okay, can I stop? Yeah, please. Yeah. Okay. So first of all, for me, it’s my
mentor supervisor for my coaching because I’m an executive and leadership coach, and our name is Tracy Sinclair,
you probably know that I’m qualified as a coach. And I have to do a lot of training to keep that going.
And Tracy has been my mentor supervisor, and has given me a very thorough feedback on transcripts of some coaching sessions that I did with some of my clients. And those hours have been very powerful in the feedback that she gave me. And
it’s massively influence who I am becoming as a coach, because I am an ACC at the moment, I would like to be an MCC. So it’s a level up.
So that means you go even deeper in the iceberg. And you coach the person, not necessarily the problem as such.
So she’s, she’s given me a lot to think about in terms of what I want to achieve and how I want to achieve it. Because the problem is me is that I want everything done yesterday, in what I do in my life.
And she she said, You know, it’s okay, it’s okay to aim to do my
MCC piece, well, no, PCC first in in two years time. So we, we discussed that. And the second influence for me or my clients,
because my clients are
from different places around the world.
And I help them all at the moment, navigate change. And it’s quite tricky.
So I am listening to what they are.
And listening to their, to their emotion, to their behavior to their, to what they are telling me, and it’s massively influencing who I am becoming as a coach, because there are topics that had never coached before.
I’ve never, for example, had to
have a coaching conversation about grief as such.
And, you know, not particularly prepared to have a conversation about a pandemic of that size, for example, which has massive impact at work, but you still end up talking about the pandemic. And,
and so for me, it’s been a massive influence. And it’s, it’s making me want to level up what I do to be an even better coach. So the whole everything is linked up. And I am going to be investing even more in my training to for my coaching.
And that’s a priority for me. Yeah.
Nice pal. Jenny’s drinking neck. So you’re up next.
My inner circle of people, obviously, I think, you know, you three have been quite influential this year. For me no secret, you know, that the help with work in bits and pieces and a number of skills I
maybe not, don’t have, but I’ve lost, they’ve been in hibernation for a while, and they’ve now come out to play, which has been great. And I’d like to continue that, obviously, you know, you can say yes or no, so.
And that’s the inner circle bits.
I think probably more my wife now in a professional capacity, you know, was before I was the one with solutions now actually, I’d go into her for the solution. So I think we’re gonna have a different dynamic around work. Yeah.
And then I think I’m I am looking at the work of people like Douglas Murray. Why watch the Marc Maron the Joe Rogan podcast, which are really broad, they’re not left, right, red, blue.
And I’ve just got a new app because I’ve seen
at Twitter, I can’t be dealing with it. And I’ve got something called power and on power, you can have a button where you can have non bias or bias. So you can choose to receive the opposite views of your own. And that’s been quite interesting to try and understand, you know, other people, especially around things like, you know, the big identity politics stuff, which is easy to rally against, but you know, you’re gonna solve it. And there was a great thing from that Simon Sinek is it
talks about the millennials, and it’s all the the argument is framed, that it’s the millennials fault. And that they need to change their way in which they exist in business practices, when you know, certainly that that book are recommended that the idea is not another the future young people, business needs to change to accommodate these young people, because they’re the one
And then the other thing, going back to the Dubai thing is, I am increasingly being influenced by certain school leaders and teachers who are genuinely pushing the envelope with their ideas about what remote and digital learning could be and what they’re capable of doing. You know, I can sit in a boardroom with the top 20 People in in Dubai, and they’ll never come up with that amazing idea that, uh, you know, a primary school teachers got for forgetting something over to our children. So I think that’s it, I’ve got an inner circle. And then I’ve got this sort of outer circle of things. I think I’m going to just keep going with this year, and see what happens to it. Ah, fascinating. Yeah. Thanks. Yeah, Jenny.
Interesting, yes, I’ve shown that I’ve shot a lot of doors this year. Because I’ve just felt that I’m not out there, as as I as I used to be. But there are two people who I’ve kept up a level of communication and a level of firing off. And once Nadine, and one is my personal trainer. And both these people share the quality of having inventive exciting minds. So that either Nadine or I will come up with something, it’s more often again than myself, I have to say, but we bounce off each other and create things as a result of that. And with my personal trainer, over the last four years, he’s developed in terms of personal development is now what he calls his thing. And so for an hour, he gets free coaching from me, I pay him to coach me physically. And we have some of the most interesting conversations that you can get. I mean, today, for instance, I asked him about 2020, thinking about what was coming up, and he came up with absolutely brilliant answers as to the qualities that he saw that enabled him to be successful this year, and how other people who perhaps felt things had been done to them could flip that by taking more control. So I think that my key influences would would be Nadine, and Max from maximum fitness. So Max, you better watch this.
Yeah, that’s fine. I mean, the question was born out of that the thing which which, Nick, Nick mentioned, which was a real concern of mine, that we particularly at a time when when maybe not meeting face to face and rely on relying on media to present us with the things that we then digest, I’m just hugely worried about about that. Because,
you know, how do you know you’re getting a balanced diet, that that parlor thing is, is a fascinating, you know, click off the bias button.
I still get and I will continue to get
as it’s not a daily, it’s weekly, but paper, because because I
because it’s it’s the it’s the full thing, and I can choose what I look at. Whereas if you go on and website, you know, they will have used your past browsing history to
diet you receive. I mean, I think this is hugely dangerous
and isn’t helpful. So I think we should fight it. So it’s been now it’s been fascinating.
To get more diverse in our in our in our influences. Don’t only talk to people that you agree with.
Yeah, point. And I think we said that, in January onwards, it would be good to invite different people on line
We’ve spoken and Lisa has agreed to come on
on our LinkedIn Live, which is, which is good. And I’ve invited another person as well. And they’ve already said yes. So I think it’s going to be important. You know, you’re talking about diversity and being inclusive. And it’s really important to give everybody a voice and to manage those difference of opinions. And to show that we actually we can, we can do it.
So, we will do that as from January. Yeah. Great. Yeah. Okay, I have a final question.
Which is, how could a personal advisory board or a thinking board help you be at your best for 2021?
I’ll give you a quick answer, then, by asking challenging questions.
By Na, making sure that you’re accountable.
I think there’s a danger when you’re quite good at things
that the echo chamber is its people tell you, you’re quite good. You know, when we went through my mock interview the other day, what was really good? Was the slaughter house.
That was slightly extreme. No, but I think it was the honesty and the, you know, if you’ve got a group that you trust, they are very happy to tell you exactly how it is, with no recourse. No, they’ll come back. And you take it, I think better because, you know, it comes from a position of
empathy, they’ve got your best interest at heart. And I think without that tightness of the group is easy to lose focus and drift off and accept mediocrity. And it is harsh, I think, because no one likes their ego being burst. But I think it’s extremely helpful. I mean, I was pretty, all for the day after thinking quoth these people, my friends, for the day after that, you know, my action plan of coming back was was amazing. And I ticked all the boxes, and I was feeling great. And I think that is extremely useful.
Yeah, we did exercise of our duty of care, Nick, because we did check on you today after right? It’s very good. It was very good. It wasn’t we didn’t use slaughtering language we were playing with the language. It may not have been kind with the concept. But we were very supportive in our language. I think I quite I quite like that to them that warts in all, you can take the warts in all criticism, if it comes from people who’ve got your own best interests at heart, because you know, right, they want you to be better and do well, as opposed to someone just criticizing from the sideline and you don’t value and maybe they haven’t got your best interests at heart. And I think it’s important to have the group so you know that the information you’re getting is truthful and valid.
Thank you, Nick.
Well, it’s made and then that
fit. It’s very touchy feely for me this.
I, so we trained you now. Yeah.
How could a personal advisory board help you bet your best I think one of my big problems and I hope it relates to a whole series of others is that I’m not very good at seeing what’s here are quite, quite quite, quite able to deal with the things in front of me but I’m not good at it’s not that I don’t know is that it’s about my own capability. And I’m not
very good at realizing how the how the the things that I’ve got the things that I can do relate to other areas. And so I think how a group like that could help me will be to serve as a continual reminder that Jan You know, you’ve got the experience that would actually be helpful in this situation. I mean, what we’re doing now is a very good example that’s something that you’ve done for me to Dean is to, is to, you know, if I’m honest, I still don’t really understand what is it you see there, but you know, it’s kind of no serious in generally. So I mean that so that for me, it’s I suppose it’s that holding,
being being honest and saying, okay, you know, this is these are these are things you can do these are things you can’t, which is where you need to improve this is. Yeah, so
you, John. Yeah, you keep saying Yeah.
Thank you for that.
have been Yes.
I mentioned you the dean.
Yes. So no, I’ve not forgotten I’ve not forgotten along. So my own question, I think, for me, it’s key to have a board to enable me to be at my best. Because I, I have very high standards. I’m very competitive. I always, I’ve always been competitive.
And I always want to evolve. Once I’ve got something I want to evolve thereafter I want to evolve. It’s, it’s, it’s, it’s never stopping. And my husband keeps telling me, you know, just enjoy being at that height.
Right. You don’t need to be at the Submit straightaway, just enjoy.
And, and I think the board is helping me to elevate do better.
be at my best, you know.
And that’s quite an interesting actually. Because for a board to do that they need to know me.
And sometimes people say things, and clearly, I’m thinking that they don’t know me, because otherwise they would never say that.
So it’s about making sure that those people don’t make any assumptions and
and see the what else I could do. And help me get there.
So I’ve got to smell the roses. Yes, yes. But I’ve got a few ideas that I want to share with you in 2021. And, you know, a bit what we’ve done with unique is, okay, let’s, let’s look at that. And how could you do that? And what about this? And what about that?
Because I think it’s really important to listen to everybody’s ideas. I see no particular way, you know, I’ve got a pair of glasses. Yeah, I see in a particular way. And you’re gonna give me your eyes, and you’re gonna make me see differently. And for me, that’s really important.
Yeah, it’s really important.
Seeing all around it, you know? And also because you know, me, you can, you can tell me different things. And perhaps you see things that I don’t see myself in me a bit like what John, you know, you say, Well, I don’t really know what you see in me. For me, it’s not that but it’s, it may be that I can draw on something that I have. I don’t know that I have
never seen me work. You were in my team in Dubai. I don’t know that lovely email that you sent me that I’ve kept actually.
And I, how I know you sent me a really lovely email. And I thought How lovely. But I don’t necessarily see that. Because I’m on the next thing. I’m already, you know, 10,000 miles ahead.
So yeah, so that’s the, we’ve, we’ve, in a way, we’ve not done that, but we are going to be doing it, which was because I think it’d be good to get those books, titled
and to put them on the take home message, you know, and the app that you talked about Nick as well. So I think if we can, together so that on Saturday or Sunday, I publish the document for everybody, people tell me that this is quite helpful for them. So
continue to do for two in 2021. What do you know what I’ve really enjoyed tonight? It doesn’t mean I haven’t enjoyed the creative sessions, but it’s been different. Yeah. Different I, I’ve enjoyed those questions. It seems to flow in a different way. And probably more equal
the way that we’ve spoken, and we’ve not interrupted each other. Have you noticed that it’s been more controlled, hasn’t it? Because you’ve been to specific questions so that Yeah, yeah. And that’s round as well. Which is yeah, we shall reflect on that when we when we listen.
Thank you so much, my friends for being here on this LinkedIn live. I’m really grateful. And I know Nick, it’s in Dubai, it’s like nine o’clock and like nine.
Our next one is 7/5. January. Yes, it is. A couple of weeks off. Yeah. We are taking a couple of weeks off because it’s Christmas and New Year’s. So but we will be back and we will elevate the LinkedIn life. And if you know if around the world, there are any specific topics that you’d like us to discuss, please let us know if you have any question please let us know. Can I just say thank you all for interesting and enjoyable watch message for John knew he Papa
raishin scheduled second week in January COVID. Allowing
a man wishing you all the best can and hoping at some point. Absolutely. Yes. Okay, everybody. Yeah.
It’s good evening from London and from Good night from Dubai. Nick.
Thanks, Lisa. Thank you very much for listening.
Bye, Lisa. Bye everybody.